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Panasonic BK-4MCCA8BA Eneloop AAA New 2100 Cycle Ni-MH Pre-Charged Rechargeable Batteries 8-Pack by Review Summary ,  Sep 11, 2015

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Panasonic BK-4MCCA8BA Eneloop AAA New 2100 Cycle Ni-MH Pre-Charged Rechargeable Batteries, 8-Pack
Report Date: 01/03/2016
Based on 2695 customer reviews
Overall satisfaction: 4.7
Returned or considering to return: 0.6%

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Individual Feature Rating
Controller5.0   exceptional
Xbox5.0   above average
Performance4.8   above average
Value4.8   average
Application4.6   above average
Flash4.6   average
Price4.6   above average
Quality4.6   above average
Battery4.5   above average
Remote4.5   exceptional
Service4.5   above average
Charging4.4   above average
Recharge4.3   above average
Alkaline4.2   average
Capacity4.2   average
Reliable4.2   below average
Cordless4.1   average
Size4.1   average
Camera4.0   average
Power4.0   above average
Control3.8   average
Amazon3.5   below average
Packaging3.3   below average
Charger3.2   below average


Quotes from the Reviews - What People Say about:

Alkaline

Alkaline:
"Another great thing, these hardly ever leak but if they did, they would cause a lot less damage than standard alkaline cells."
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"I just hate it when Alkaline cells ruin stuff left sitting (out of sight, out of mind)."
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"In all of my tests I get not only the best runtimes on my flashlights with eneloop but also the highest lumen output for the longest time which means that they maintained as high as they could the max levels of efficiency in all of my AA flashlights compared to energizer,duracell,rayovac,ativa ecc...it just make me so frustrated just to think that I was wasting so much money on junk rechargeables and cheap alkalines when for even less of a price these batteries are rechargeable up to 2000 times and give me a better bang for my buck."
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"We have a cookie jar sized container to gather the dead alkaline batteries to take to the dump."
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"They did not last nearly as long as disposable alkaline, had a short service life, had terrible issues with memory, took 15+ hours to charge, quickly shrank in capacity, quickly self-discharged and were very expensive."
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"I lost count of how many dead alkaline batteries I've thrown away over the years and they weren't exactly cheap."
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"Not to mention, alkaline type's are the most well known for leaking, and corroding things."
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"Overall, from my experience so far, these seem to be a nice, well made, high quality, no frills battery, that has all the good traits of both the alkaline, and NiMh types."
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"What is nice about them, is they hold a charge, close to what alkaline types do, but they are a NiMh type, which means they don't hold a memory if you don't recharge them right."
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"While alkaline's are great for holding their charge over a longer length of time, they have a couple major flaws."
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"While these don't have the initial charge or durability of a traditional alkaline, they're still much closer than anything else I've come across and they're a lot better than forking out wads of cash for bin-loads of disposable batteries."
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Amazon

Amazon:
"The primary generic here on Amazon (SunLabz) is horrible!"
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"What's wrong AMAZON? "
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"After reading many reviews on almost all rechargeable batteries on amazon and finding that many people had horrible experiences with a lot of unknown name brands I decided to share this with you."
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"Back to a fresh charge from the opened package (literally) I am a bit disappointed from Amazon sending me a product that has been opened, it's possible that it opened during shipping but i did get 2 different date codes on the batteries, but it also appears that Panasonic shipped them this way too."
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"If you can't get a nice set at Costco, picking these up on Amazon is the next best thing"
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"And after using several of them for different things, I have been nothing but impressed, they are reliable and charge without memory and I liked them so much and have used most of the original set in the different things I needed AA batteries, I decided to purchase an additional 16 pack of them (direct from Amazon) (no charger).Good batteries, maintain a good charge, rechargeable a lot without gaining a memory, what else can I ask for in a battery."
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"Great product and very durable unlike other cheap batteries on amazon."
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"I've used other brands but these and the Amazon basics work the best."
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"They are better than the amazon Basics but, I'm not sure if they are twice as good as the price would imply."
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"excellent price on amazon"
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"Good price, good product, good fulfillment from amazon"
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Application

Application:
"Be aware that the capacity of these cells is only about 80% of the conventional NiMH cells, so they are not the best for applications requiring high capacity where the cells could be recently charged."
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"Recommended for all applications."
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"Great for all applications."
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"If you buy the starter pack, you also get the charger specifically designed for these, and the adapters (adapters allow you to use the AA batteries for C and D battery applications as well)."
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"currently use them in all my applications, about 30 batteries, hold charge adequately, will know in a couple of years if they live up to advertisements"
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"Despite being suitable for these very low drain applications, these deliver equally impressive performance with high-drain applications, such as usage in a high-output flashlight."
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Battery

Battery:
"I've been doing so much research on rechargeable batteries and I'm just disappointed I never gotten these sooner in life."
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"The only negative comment I have regarding these batteries concerns the initial charge of the new batteries."
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"Not great when your touted to be the best rechargeable battery with the most cycles."
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"I have had a lot of problems with other brands of rechargeable batteries."
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"I actually wanted to buy the AA sized batteries but made a mistake and got the AAA ones instead."
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"I have bought several sets of rechargeable batteries and have not been satisfied with either capacity or power bleed."
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"I'm very excited and happy with these batteries!"
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"I've bought multiple packs of both the AA and AAA eneloops recently based on almost universal reviews indicating they are the best choice in recyclable batteries."
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"Otherwise, I'm completely happy with these batteries and expect them to have a long service life."
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"This charger will keep the batteries in good shape for maximum service."
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"While these batteries are more expensive I think they are a great deal since they hold their charge for so long."
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Camera

Camera:
"junk, I bought for a trail cam, don't work."
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"After having them in the charger overnight and putting them in my camera, without even using the camera, the next day they were dead."
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"The eneloop batteries are priced about the same as my other batteries that have frequently and unexpectedly left my camera completely dead."
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"I use Eneloops in the my camera external flash and they are hard to beat! "
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"Would definitely recommend these for any digital cameras otherwise you're going to be disappointed in your camera performance when using regular rechargeables or certainly if using plain alkaline batteries."
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"My camera's external flash uses these, as well as some of my kid's toys."
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"I bought these for an outdoor game camera not knowing if they'd work as well as regular alkalines."
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"They have long charged shelf life and recently outperformed Duracell batteries in our outdoor animal camera."
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"The best batteries I've ever had for my camera."
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"Very good quality eneloop batteries, used for camera flash."
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Capacity

Capacity:
"I have bought several sets of rechargeable batteries and have not been satisfied with either capacity or power bleed."
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"They come pre-charged, maintain their charge when not in use, have admirable capacity, and are rated for a large number of charge cycles."
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"A quality charger can inform you about battery health, capacity, and charge in a fashion that attempts to maximize service life."
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"I have had several original eneloops for years and they still work very near their initial quality and capacity, my only problem is I forget to take them out when I am sell or dispose of the product that uses them."
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"Beware of some off brand batteries claiming better capacity as I've read that they do not."
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"Be aware that the capacity of these cells is only about 80% of the conventional NiMH cells, so they are not the best for applications requiring high capacity where the cells could be recently charged."
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"These batteries have a greater true capacity and holding time than any other rechargeable that I have tried."
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"In my experience Chinese cells hold about half their stated capacity at best."
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"Very good capacity, though I did not measure this."
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"So far these batteries have worked very well and recharged to great capacity."
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"From my experience, the low internal leakage means an effectively higher mAh capacity than the usual suspects."
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Charger

Charger:
"On the packaging Panasonic recommend using their own chargers, but I've never had a problem with a good quality third party smart intelligent charger with any make of battery it's well worth investing in one of these as it can extend the life of cells and avoid overcharging problems that some timer manual chargers have."
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"These batteries and the charger have ended my years of frustration with dying batteries, flaky chargers, et cetera."
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"I have had other batteries that even came with chargers fail on the third recharge."
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"Eneloops appear to be the best, AmazonBasics, Duracell and most Energizers are good alternatives if Eneloops are not available but avoid most cheap chargers and find a smart charger with Negative Delta V, overheat protection, and capable of charging any number of batteries."
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"The new generation batteries seem great, but their incompatibility with other chargers makes me skeptical of its safety - I can't be the only one using a charger by a different manufacturer."
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"I have two different LaCrosse chargers I use with them, and frankly have never been happy with bundled chargers."
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"I use the Titanium brand 16 bay chargers as well as a few Eneloop brand chargers with no problems."
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"I use a La Cross charger but also have Maha and Powerex chargers that all work well."
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"On the packaging Panasonic recommend using their own chargers, but I've never had a problem with a good quality third party smart intelligent charger with any make of battery it's well worth investing in one of these as it can extend the life of cells and avoid overcharging problems that some timer manual chargers have."
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"The Sanyo-branded chargers that come with some of these lots are great products."
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Charging

Charging:
"Basic NiMh rechargeable batteries loose about 1% of their charge, per day, which means in one month, without using them, they will loose about 30% of their charge, and in 3 months, be just about dead."
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"This batch of batteries has been very disappointing, after one charge a few days after I received them, some of the wrappings on the batteries started peeling off, this has never happened before ."
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"About 20 days past my return window of 30 days... one battery is already dead won't charge."
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"I bought them from Horizon Battery and they don't hold a good charge for very long at all."
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"rechargeable batteries are great, unfortunately these batteries are so good that I have yet needed to charge them in the short time I have had them."
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"They hold their charger longer and I've had less failures with these than any other brand."
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"I've also bought a highly recommended LaCrosse charger to use in addition to the Panasonic chargers that came with a couple of packs of the eneloops."
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"This charger will keep the batteries in good shape for maximum service."
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"After having Eneloop for almost a year it's nice to know they still hold their charge."
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"While these batteries are more expensive I think they are a great deal since they hold their charge for so long."
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"I've yet to test out their 2100 cycle claim and doubt I'll ever get to, but they last well and reliably charge to full voltage."
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Control

Control:
"Buy with confidence, these batteries have yet to fail me and I have used them on clocks, toothbrushes, remote controls, flashlights and all works well so far."
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"These batteries were once the best rechargeable batteries around, but obviously something has gone wrong in their quality control department."
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"**A few chargers worth looking at**Maha MH-C9000 (very advanced high end charger)Powerex MH-C9000Technoline BL-700 or BC1000Foxnovo F-4SThe official Panasonic charger is: BQ CC16 this is an intelligent charger with individual monitoring and charging of cells, I don't recommend the basic BQ CC18 it works fine but it is timer control only."
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"Buy with confidence, these batteries have yet to fail me and I have used them on clocks, toothbrushes, remote controls, flashlights and all works well so far."
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"I use the AAA mostly in weather sensors and remote controls and am very satisfied."
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"I use these batteries for my Universal Remote control and they work well."
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"Terrific for iMac wireless accessories, remote controls, and Xbox1 controllers! "
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"I have these batteries from a year ago and still like new use them for everything, game control, Tv, Mouse and Keyboard,, are super durable, must recharge every week or even more, they are great"
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Controller

Controller:
"I use them for Xbox controllers, they seem to do well."
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"They work great for my Xbox one controller and Turtle Beach headset."
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"I use batteries a lot for 2 reasons My Camera Flashes and my Xbox Controllers and there are the go to for their long life have easily already saved me twice as much as i paid for them from not buying standard batteries .Ni-MH Batteries i have triedEnergizer 2300mah Gen 2 Ni-MH Rechargeable Batteries - HORRIBLE and worthless - should be criminal on how fast these things drain if you don't use the batteries within 2 weeks they are already down to half a charge if they sit around."
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"I bought these for my Xbox controller and they work great."
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"Some batteries won't work in My AC controller for what ever reason but these work great and hold their power well"
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Cordless

Cordless:
"Used these to replace my dead batteries in my Panasonic cordless phones for the home."
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"I was a bit worried when I first put them into my Logitech cordless keyboard because it seemed that they didn't hold a charge as long as the ones I was replacing which were the same brand that came from the Logitech factory when I bought the keyboard."
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"These batteries were purchased to replace malfunctioning batteries in a Panasonic cordless phone and now the phone functions like new."
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"These work great in my cordless phones."
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"These work great, used in cordless home phone, and have had no problems."
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"Works great with our Panasonic cordless phones we bought a while back."
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"They work great for Panasonic Cordless Phones."
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"Super buy - they worked well with our Panasonic cordless phone system."
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Flash

Flash:
"I use Eneloops in the my camera external flash and they are hard to beat! "
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"I keep several in my camera case so when the flash batteries go dead I've got fresh live ones to replace them with."
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"My camera's external flash uses these, as well as some of my kid's toys."
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"Mainly i get these to power my son's Thomas trains, but they are good for flash lights and other things around the house."
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"I highly recommend these for just about anything, but I personally use them with my flashes during a wedding."
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"I use batteries a lot for 2 reasons My Camera Flashes and my Xbox Controllers and there are the go to for their long life have easily already saved me twice as much as i paid for them from not buying standard batteries .Ni-MH Batteries i have triedEnergizer 2300mah Gen 2 Ni-MH Rechargeable Batteries - HORRIBLE and worthless - should be criminal on how fast these things drain if you don't use the batteries within 2 weeks they are already down to half a charge if they sit around."
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"Great batteries for my camera flash."
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Keyboard

Keyboard:
"I was a bit worried when I first put them into my Logitech cordless keyboard because it seemed that they didn't hold a charge as long as the ones I was replacing which were the same brand that came from the Logitech factory when I bought the keyboard."
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"Great for wireless mice and keyboards, TV remotes, fire alarms and much more."
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"love these batterys,put in my keyboard, tv remote,rc cars,running strong for over a year."
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"purchased 10 2014 - used almost daily in all our home and on the go items (photography gear, kids toys, adult toys, keyboards, etc).highly pleased with these - knew once purchasing them I would be and they have delivered."
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"An excellent choice for wireless keyboards and computer mouse."
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"I use these primarily for my Apple iMac keyboard and mouse, they do a very good job keeping up with all the work I do constantly and last quite a while."
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Packaging

Packaging:
"I can't even tell if these are used because the packaging holding these batteries are terribly destroyed."
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"I have purchased several packages of eneloop batteries, and this was the worst so far."
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"This is inconvenient if you buy them during travel and expect to use them out of the package, as was often my case."
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"Back to a fresh charge from the opened package (literally) I am a bit disappointed from Amazon sending me a product that has been opened, it's possible that it opened during shipping but i did get 2 different date codes on the batteries, but it also appears that Panasonic shipped them this way too."
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"When I ordered these I got worried becauase the name on the package changed from Sanyo to Panasonic and I was not sure if they changed them for the worse."
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"The product packaging is good."
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"The package was very nice and the quantity was as described..."
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"What I like about them (and this is super cool) is that you can get C or D shells Sanyo Eneloop Spacer Pack: 4 Pack of C-size and 4 Pack of D-size Adapters [Hassle Free Packaging] to use with these from the same company which allows you to put AA batteries in place of any C or D battery in any device."
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"Out of the package, without charging, it has outlasted and outperformed my experience with the original battery."
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"I have bought several packages of these batteries because they are excellent."
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Performance

Performance:
"I love the AA size, but this size (AAA) shows no performance advantage over less expensive brands."
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"Would definitely recommend these for any digital cameras otherwise you're going to be disappointed in your camera performance when using regular rechargeables or certainly if using plain alkaline batteries."
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"They 're-charged with no errors and have performed flawlessly."
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"Really do perform well."
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"Great performance! "
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"These perform as well or better than Duracells, in my opinion, and last just as long, or longer, on a single charge."
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"very goog, good performance and price not very dear."
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Power

Power:
"I have bought several sets of rechargeable batteries and have not been satisfied with either capacity or power bleed."
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"Whenever I needed these old NiMh batteries they'd be out of power or completely dead."
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"Using the speaker phone on my Panasonic phones, takes the most battery power, I can tell when the batteries are getting weak as the dial tone sound from the speaker phone will sound scratchy, etc, or the lights on the phone will dim, but even with one bar remaining, they all still give a nice dial-tone, no scratchy sound, etc."
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"I'm worried about a worldwide power failure."
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"These made my previously horrible power hungry camera into my favorite."
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"The description say it comes precharged but it's not enough to power the phone to make calls, it will turn it on if it is dead but that's about it, you will still hear the beeping sound from the phone which is saying it requires charging."
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"Great power top of the line."
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"Given the number of cycles that these things can take, their ability to hold a charge while not being used for YEARS, and how well they give power I never plan on giving them up! "
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"Plus the ability to constantly give power is impressive."
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"Mainly i get these to power my son's Thomas trains, but they are good for flash lights and other things around the house."
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"I have tried many, many brands of rechargeable batteries and while most will exhibit great response and power immediately after removing from a charging device - most will quickly drop their power output."
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Price

Price:
"The reason I went with these batteries is to spend the extra money and not have to deal with defective ones or other hassles..."
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"Stop wasting your money on cheap, weak, unreliable rechargeables and put down a little extra cash that will give you peace of mind."
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"In all of my tests I get not only the best runtimes on my flashlights with eneloop but also the highest lumen output for the longest time which means that they maintained as high as they could the max levels of efficiency in all of my AA flashlights compared to energizer,duracell,rayovac,ativa ecc...it just make me so frustrated just to think that I was wasting so much money on junk rechargeables and cheap alkalines when for even less of a price these batteries are rechargeable up to 2000 times and give me a better bang for my buck."
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"besides , eneloop offers such a high quality material and internals that I have no problem on recommending this product to anyone tired of wasting money just think about it (2-3$ a month) x (a year) x (10 years)= a lot of wasted money ."
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"Definitely a good buy for the price and will most likely be buying more in the future."
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"Great price and they have worked very well for me."
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"Pros: Look great, easy to chargeCons: Price, will not hold a chargeOverall: I bought these because they have very high reviews and I figured that they would live up to their reputation."
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"Best rechargeable batteries money can buy."
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"I kind of wish that they were cheaper, but in the end, they will save me more money then what I paid for them, so I can not complain too much."
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Quality

Quality:
"These batteries were once the best rechargeable batteries around, but obviously something has gone wrong in their quality control department."
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"I have owned eneloop rechargeable batteries since 2000s, when it was made by Sanyo- the quality has not changed- they are the best in the market- - will definitely buy again! "
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"besides , eneloop offers such a high quality material and internals that I have no problem on recommending this product to anyone tired of wasting money just think about it (2-3$ a month) x (a year) x (10 years)= a lot of wasted money ."
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"On the packaging Panasonic recommend using their own chargers, but I've never had a problem with a good quality third party smart intelligent charger with any make of battery it's well worth investing in one of these as it can extend the life of cells and avoid overcharging problems that some timer manual chargers have."
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"Works just like the Sanyo ones which was a relieve since I was worried about the quality dropping."
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"I have had several original eneloops for years and they still work very near their initial quality and capacity, my only problem is I forget to take them out when I am sell or dispose of the product that uses them."
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"Overall, from my experience so far, these seem to be a nice, well made, high quality, no frills battery, that has all the good traits of both the alkaline, and NiMh types."
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"Good price and high quality rechargeable batteries."
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"Very good quality!"
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"Do note the price tag is on the high side but these are great quality rechargeable batteries."
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"There's not much to say about Eneloop batteries, they are simply the best.. they are quality, hold their charge, and just work great in devices."
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Quick

Quick:
"Long lasting, reliable and quick charging."
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"Great batteries, long lasting, charge pretty quick and have held up very well."
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"Holds their charge very well and has quick recycle times."
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"They last a long time, recharge quick and hold their charge brilliantly."
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"quick arrival, good quality."
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Recharge

Recharge:
"They worked great to begin with, but just went to recharge them for a third time and 4 out of the pack of 8 are completely dead."
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"May be dead before I can opine on the claimed 2100 recharge cycles...."
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"I like the idea of rechargables but a bit disappointed in how soon they need to be recharged"
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"I've tried many rechargables and they all failed in pretty much any electronic device I'd try to use, such as xbox controllers, wii remotes etc."
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"I have had other batteries that even came with chargers fail on the third recharge."
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"I instead focus on the number of recharge failures per 1000 hours of recharging."
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"I personally have never done any of the stress tests that some other folks on Amazon have done, so I don't have hard numbers and facts, but I've tried numerous types of recharageables over the years and these hold the best charge and last the longest after multiple recharges!"
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"They worked great to begin with, but just went to recharge them for a third time and 4 out of the pack of 8 are completely dead."
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"They recharge, they last, I'm happy to have found them."
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"Great rechargables that last a long time and come mostly charged, what's not to like? "
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"They recharge quickly, work great."
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Reliable

Reliable:
"They not only can be charged over and over, have a good and reliable mah rating, they also hold a charge for a really long time."
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"And after using several of them for different things, I have been nothing but impressed, they are reliable and charge without memory and I liked them so much and have used most of the original set in the different things I needed AA batteries, I decided to purchase an additional 16 pack of them (direct from Amazon) (no charger).Good batteries, maintain a good charge, rechargeable a lot without gaining a memory, what else can I ask for in a battery."
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"Bulletproof and must have for anyone who wants very reliable robust transmitter batteries that don't discharge, don't blow up, and are very reasonably priced when bought in the 18 pack quantities from Amazon."
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"Have been using eneloops since i first heard of them, very reliable batteries that holds their charges well."
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"Very reliable rechargeable batteries over time, nice that they come already charged."
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"I've been using them (and older versions) for years, and they're amazingly reliable."
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"Hard to fault really a very reliable and solid offering and suitable for use in a wide variety of appliances even heavy drain items like flashes and digital cameras."
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Remote

Remote:
"Buy with confidence, these batteries have yet to fail me and I have used them on clocks, toothbrushes, remote controls, flashlights and all works well so far."
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"Not just for flashlight(where other cells are so often DEAD when needed) but I use them in remote controls,wall clocks,radios and lights for during blackouts you need something that will perform for you to beat back the dark."
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"Great for using it on the Wiimotes and of course the remotes for the TV's."
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"Works so well I bought more, so far it's lasted on my tv remote over 7 months without dying"
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"Buy with confidence, these batteries have yet to fail me and I have used them on clocks, toothbrushes, remote controls, flashlights and all works well so far."
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"Bought these on September 21, 2015, all are still working great, mostly used in remotes and such."
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"Great for wireless mice and keyboards, TV remotes, fire alarms and much more."
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Service

Service:
"A quality charger can inform you about battery health, capacity, and charge in a fashion that attempts to maximize service life."
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"They did not last nearly as long as disposable alkaline, had a short service life, had terrible issues with memory, took 15+ hours to charge, quickly shrank in capacity, quickly self-discharged and were very expensive."
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"Otherwise, I'm completely happy with these batteries and expect them to have a long service life."
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"This charger will keep the batteries in good shape for maximum service."
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"seller service is fast and batteries great"
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"I've had excellent service from the AA Eneloops and so I purchased these AAA versions to use with a camera strobe."
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"Good product and Prompt service."
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Size

Size:
"I love the AA size, but this size (AAA) shows no performance advantage over less expensive brands."
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"The adapters that come in kits to adapt to larger cells haven't worked well, but I have nothing but good things to say about the small ones."
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"I would say since most all of candles are from Candle Impressions that, and have only had the one problem, that the error in size falls with Candle Impressions."
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"Maybe good for some uses but not for a small Fenix flashlight."
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"Must have at least 50 of the different sizes of these batteries by now, no failures at all in the last two years, highly recommend!"
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"Size is perfect too, sometimes on cheaper cells I've noticed the diameter of the battery prevents me from installing them properly."
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"They last super long and love that you can get adapters to make them size C or D. Life saver for all the batteries my baby's items need! "
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"I've bought the AA size and they are great."
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Speed

Speed:
"Not enough to actually cause your device to fail, but just enough to slow response on your device."
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"I use batteries a lot for 2 reasons My Camera Flashes and my Xbox Controllers and there are the go to for their long life have easily already saved me twice as much as i paid for them from not buying standard batteries .Ni-MH Batteries i have triedEnergizer 2300mah Gen 2 Ni-MH Rechargeable Batteries - HORRIBLE and worthless - should be criminal on how fast these things drain if you don't use the batteries within 2 weeks they are already down to half a charge if they sit around."
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"My old batteries would self discharge too fast to use that way making them highly inconvenient."
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"The only negative I have found, isn't much of a negative unless you do have dead Eneloops and need a new battery fast -- they can take just a little while longer to fully charge vs. the others."
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"Exactly what i needed with lightning fast delivery as well! "
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"Fast shipping, best price found."
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"seller service is fast and batteries great"
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"Great batteries, fast shipping, highly recommend."
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"If you own a Game boy, GBA, Sega GameGear, or Atari Lynx 2, you know these consoles can drain ordinary alkaline batteries pretty fast."
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Value

Value:
"I did not find exceptional value for the price."
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"Good value"
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"Best value."
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"Great value! "
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"great value"
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"Great value for the best rechargeables."
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Xbox

Xbox:
"I use them for Xbox controllers, they seem to do well."
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"They work great for my Xbox one controller and Turtle Beach headset."
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"I use batteries a lot for 2 reasons My Camera Flashes and my Xbox Controllers and there are the go to for their long life have easily already saved me twice as much as i paid for them from not buying standard batteries .Ni-MH Batteries i have triedEnergizer 2300mah Gen 2 Ni-MH Rechargeable Batteries - HORRIBLE and worthless - should be criminal on how fast these things drain if you don't use the batteries within 2 weeks they are already down to half a charge if they sit around."
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"I bought these for my Xbox controller and they work great."
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"We use these for our xbox controllers and they work really well!"
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